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WOODRUFF: Is it something that the rest of the world just has to get used to?

BRENNAN: I don't think we should ever get used to it. I think what we have to do is to redouble our efforts to try to uncover what they're doing, stop them, in terms of carrying out these attacks, but also go to the source of it, which is those who are directing and orchestrating these attacks. And ISIL, most of the attacks are either directed or incited by their external operations group, which is resident in the Syria/Iraq theater.

WOODRUFF: I'm struck that in several news interviews you've done recently, Director Brennan, you've made a point of saying, or you have said, that our efforts have not reduced ISIS' capability and global reach. There's a frustration that seems to come through in your-you don't-not that there's an expression on your face, but what-how-what is it? I mean, what does this mean to you, as somebody who's been working in this area for so long?

BRENNAN: Well, any intelligence or security or law enforcement professional who has the responsibility to try to prevent these attacks from occurring, and those who have been involved in counterterrorism for quite some time, are interested and determined to do whatever we can to destroy these organizations that give birth to these horrific attacks. And as I've said recently, we've made, I think, some significant progress, along with our coalition partners, in Syria and Iraq, where most of the ISIS members are resident right now. But the-ISIS' ability to continue to propagate its narrative, as well as to incite and carry out these attacks, I think we still have a ways to go before we're able to say that we have made some significant progress against them.

WOODRUFF: Is it-is it the need for better intelligence? Is it better-do we need more resources, more money poured into the effort? What is it?

BRENNAN: The challenge with ISIS, which is much different than al-Qaida-Al-Qaida at its height had maybe a couple thousand individuals with, you know, a core of several hundred-ISIS has tens of thousands of individuals that are scattered not just in the Middle East but also to West Africa, to Southeast Asia, and beyond. And so there's the scope of the problem, number one.

Number two, they have made very sophisticated use of communications systems. And in order to protect and prevent-protect their communications as well as prevent the authorities from having insight into what they're doing-and also, they've fed upon the instability that has wracked the Middle East. We see that in the aftermath of the Arab Spring, al-Qaida and ISIS had nothing to do with the initiation of the Arab Spring, but they have taken full advantage of the collapse of some governments, the ungoverned spaces. And the movement of people and goods in this 21st-century world, I think in many respects can facilitate what it is that ISIS is trying to do. And so we've seen that they don't even have to reach out and touch somebody. The horrific attacks in Orlando, an individual was able to, you know, access the material. But also you have individuals that they're able to guide and direct and to deploy. And so there's a range of challenges that intelligence security agencies have.

But also, it's sharing information among nations around the world. And we saw that in the aftermath of Brussels, the attack in Paris, we're trying to work with our European partners. There are 28-I guess, soon to be 27-EU members. And they have different legal systems, different structures. How are they going to share information in a rapid and timely fashion in order to stop individuals who we may have a bit a data on?

WOODRUFF: Well, and speaking of that, with the Brexit vote you said that it's not going to affect the U.S. partnership with Great Britain, with the U.K. But what about these other 27, 28 members, give or take? How can it not affect your ability, the ability of the CIA, and other intelligence-members of the intelligence community in the U.S. to deal with every one of these different entities in this other nations?

BRENNAN: Well, that's what we do right now. Much of our interaction is with the intelligence security services in bilateral challenges. We're trying to have multilateral sharing arrangements, whereby we can all collectively use the information that we individually collect and have access to. The EU has not been an operational element of the counterterrorism effort. It is more of a policy and a governance structure. So I really do not see it affecting our ability to work with the Brits, as well as with the remainder of the EU, on the counterterrorism front.

WOODRUFF: So you see seamless cooperation with the partners that the U.S. needs to have intel sharing?

BRENNAN: I don't think I said seamless. (Laughter.) I just said I don't think that the Brexit is going to adversely affect how we deal with the Brits. I think there's still a lot of work that needs to be done to try to put together a mission architecture that will allow Europe as a whole to share information in a timely fashion. We're working with the Brits, as well as with the rest of the Europeans. But it's not just a European issue. It's with the Middle Eastern countries and African countries. So this is going to be a journey that I think we're going to be on for quite some time.

WOODRUFF: And here in the U.S., with the Orlando attack, which you just mentioned, with what happened in San Bernardino, do you feel you've learned something from those two incidents that puts you in a better position to understand what to do to prevent or to get into the minds of these young people-mainly young men-who are carrying out these ISIS-inspired-what appear to be ISIS-inspired-

BRENNAN: Well, I think there are a couple of takeaways. One is that this country has done a great job since 9/11 making the American homeland much more difficult for terrorist organizations abroad to penetrate physically and send people over, because of things like the watch lists and the very close cooperation between law enforcement and intelligence. We see the most recent examples of those who were here and who were incited to carry out these attacks.